X98 vs 100% Meth WMI - JB4tech.com

Wickedowesix · **X98 vs 100% Meth WMI -** 10-15-2017, 01:08 PM

So I have been reading that people are switching out 100% meth for X98 ethanol in the WMI tank. Anyone have any dyno comparison of the two? Or any other i information. Thanks!

AWSAWS · 10-15-2017, 03:52 PM

I can give you some scientific data.
Methanol takes way more energy to vaporize than ethanol
You can burn about twice as much meth for the same amount of air as ethanol so methanol makes more power.

Water takes way, way more energy to vaporize than methanol. So...

Roki187 · 10-15-2017, 04:58 PM

I was was able to crank out a 11.44@118.84 with pure1 E18/100% meth vp m1 *dual cm7s* with major closures.
I have since added x98 to the meth tank and it pulls much better already with no closures at the exact same setting.
Hard to get 1/4 mile data on the street as it spins all 4 in first and halfway through second gears. Hoping to hit the track soon, will report back but the x98/meth mix works very well thus far.

Wickedowesix · 10-15-2017, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roki187

I was was able to crank out a 11.44@118.84 with pure1 E18/100% meth vp m1 *dual cm7s* with major closures.
I have since added x98 to the meth tank and it pulls much better already with no closures at the exact same setting.
Hard to get 1/4 mile data on the street as it spins all 4 in first and halfway through second gears. Hoping to hit the track soon, will report back but the x98/meth mix works very well thus far.

Do you have 100% X98 in the meth tank?

Roki187 · 10-15-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedowesix

Do you have 100% X98 in the meth tank?

Just a mix of ~80/20 for now. I’m adding x98 as I go.
80-meth
20-x98

Juan_BIGBOOST_TURBO · 10-15-2017, 05:58 PM

With our stage 3 turbo the car makes 20 more hp on x98 than full methanol with a much nicer torque and power curve. No throttle closures at all.

protecon · 10-15-2017, 06:36 PM

At what point do you have to start considering adding foam to your tank?

Wickedowesix · 10-15-2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Juan_BIGBOOST_TURBO

With our stage 3 turbo the car makes 20 more hp on x98 than full methanol with a much nicer torque and power curve. No throttle closures at all.

Was everythung else equal? Boost, timing afr and trims

Juan_BIGBOOST_TURBO · 10-15-2017, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedowesix

Was everythung else equal? Boost, timing afr and trims

AfR was a little bit richer and trims were much lower. Same boost, same car, same day, same dyno. All settings were the same as well.

Mrpink · 10-16-2017, 02:45 AM

So are we saying we should be spraying ethanol rather than methanol?

Wickedowesix · 10-16-2017, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan_BIGBOOST_TURBO

AfR was a little bit richer and trims were much lower. Same boost, same car, same day, same dyno. All settings were the same as well.

What was the afr and trims reading before and after?

Juan_BIGBOOST_TURBO · 10-16-2017, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedowesix

What was the afr and trims reading before and after?

14.3 meth and 13.7 X98, trims: meth=maxed out, X98=36~32

I M inluv340 · 10-16-2017, 04:36 PM

Agree with everyone on X98 my logs look way better. Much more consistent almost no throttle closures and timing looks better. I wouldn’t ever switch back, car feels much better

harry$ · 10-16-2017, 05:28 PM

What are peoples thoughts and experience with GEM fuels? the recipe is 37% Regular gas 21% Ethanol 42% Methanol.

https://gutts.nl/gem-fuel-best-practices/

http://www.azmeco.com/?mid=132

Wickedowesix · 10-16-2017, 08:49 PM

I'm running 100% meth on e30 fuel without any throttle closures.

RMM · 10-20-2017, 09:59 PM

Interesting I just tried 95% by vol rubbing alcohol form the pharmacy and the car is noticeably faster, but logs looks the same, if anything I am getting more throttle closure, then before but it is faster, so I do not think it is related to throttle, timing is similar as well, so something else is going on the engine just like it.

0-100km times dropped form 4.8-5.1 to 4.6-4.9, 3rd gear 40-120km pull dropped form about 6 seconds to about 5.6 seconds. Its like 10% more power with nothing visible in the logs weird.

Roki187 · 10-21-2017, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RMM

Interesting I just tried 95% by vol rubbing alcohol form the pharmacy and the car is noticeably faster, but logs looks the same, if anything I am getting more throttle closure, then before but it is faster, so I do not think it is related to throttle, timing is similar as well, so something else is going on the engine just like it.

0-100km times dropped form 4.8-5.1 to 4.6-4.9, 3rd gear 40-120km pull dropped form about 6 seconds to about 5.6 seconds. Its like 10% more power with nothing visible in the logs weird.

Relative DA will have a huge effect on a boosted car especially.
And it changes min to min

BazBar · 10-24-2017, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by I M inluv340

Agree with everyone on X98 my logs look way better. Much more consistent almost no throttle closures and timing looks better. I wouldn’t ever switch back, car feels much better

Can you post up a log, what % ethanol ?

RMM · 12-06-2017, 10:50 PM

Does anyone know how to disable the target boost limit when using map 7?

In my car the TARGET is limited to DME_BT + 13.5 psi, which makes for unpredictable TARGET behavior, when using anything above a 40 adder as it is colder now my car can have a 5 PSI DME_BT, when this happens it results in a boost limit of only 18.5 PSI.

I really want to run 21-22 psi with consistent target setting, but cannot find any way to do it so far, especially as really need to be 1-2 psi below target to avoid throttle closures.

I know I can just run map 6 but I really like the protection in map 7 and I do not want to be limited to 18.5 psi on WMI.

Thanks,

Bullitt1841 · 04-10-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dRDiesel

I'm in the market for a 340i M sport. It's a pretty interesting platform and i do see a lot of people suffering with fueling issues and I'm hoping water-meth works better, but it also seems like people are trying out different jets to get it down properly? I'm coming from a 400whp 2016 Volkswagen GTI so i would need the 340i to be at least 450WHP. Don't you guys think dual CM7 is a little too much? I was running a single CM5 nozzle on the GTI and that was more then enough for a 450+ whp setup... not sure if these two platforms are comparable as far which jet to use.

Dual CM5's with E98 runs pretty well. Don't run any water on the B58, it doesn't like it. 100% meth works fine, too.

It's a little hard to dial in meth at tip in, as your AFR will be very rich for the first second or two. But hopefully things will improve with time (and hopefully flash tuning).

dRDiesel · 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt1841

Dual CM5's with E98 runs pretty well. Don't run any water on the B58, it doesn't like it. 100% meth works fine, too.

It's a little hard to dial in meth at tip in, as your AFR will be very rich for the first second or two. But hopefully things will improve with time (and hopefully flash tuning).

dRDiesel · 12-12-2018, 02:00 AM

I hate to revive this old thread, but anyone still running X98?

LostMarine · 01-11-2019, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dRDiesel

I hate to revive this old thread, but anyone still running X98?

curious as well. i have several unused 55g drums as my race car broke before the summer

dRDiesel · 01-11-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMarine

curious as well. i have several unused 55g drums as my race car broke before the summer

We might need to start a thread on BimmerPost since this section of N54Tech is ghost town.

Solid67 · 06-29-2020, 06:33 PM

I'm bumping this thread. I am about to get a WMI kit for my M240i and am wondering if x98 is the way to go.