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Default 04-20-2017, 01:27 PM

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Terry,

I'm a bit confused by the 2010 X5M options for purchase on the BMS website: The JB4 item is shown as "S63 2010-2013 X5M/X6M Full JB4 System", so that looks fine. But the JB4 Boost Control Module (BCM) shows "2011-2013 X5M..." in the options menu.

Does this mean the BCM is not available for the 2010 X5M?

Thanks!
Russ
Same compatibility.


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Default 04-20-2017, 03:47 PM

Cool. So I'm good to go.

I have a Active Autowerks reflash that I'm not super fond of. Limp modes once in a blue moon and boost isn't showing higher than stock on my OBDII vent-gauge.

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Default 04-20-2017, 05:32 PM

With the JB4 on we can look at boost and evaluate from there. The BCM tends to be hit or miss, I'd start JB4 only (and leave fuel wires off too), datalog, and let's go from there.


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Default 04-20-2017, 07:36 PM

I plan to remove the AA tune so that the JB4 is starting from a clean slate.


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Default 04-20-2017, 07:57 PM

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With the JB4 on we can look at boost and evaluate from there. The BCM tends to be hit or miss, I'd start JB4 only (and leave fuel wires off too), datalog, and let's go from there.
If you need a X5M to iron out the jb4/bcm issues ill let you barrow mine, i live fairly close, Fresno, ca (worth a try lol) On to my real question, does the jb4 for the S63 have all the same features like with N54 version?
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Default Spark Plugs - 04-25-2017, 10:23 AM

Terry.

My X6M OEM spark plug is Bosch ZR5TPP33(S). I have looking for the one step colder. ZR4TPP33(S) ?. Cant find anything from Bosch. So what is the next step colder plug for my car? Must I change the brand to NGK?

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Default 04-25-2017, 02:58 PM

I went two steps colder with my mods and gapped them to .22
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'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - VTT 2's, MHD 2, BMS DCI, inlets, RB/Mishimoto,
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
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Default 04-25-2017, 03:18 PM

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I went two steps colder with my mods and gapped them to .22
Okay thank you.
I ordered my JB4 Full system + BCM + Bluetooth setup today. At the same time I'm gone install the bigger turbos also.
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Default 04-25-2017, 03:48 PM

What turbos you going with?

I remember you'd sent me the pics of what's required to machine the S63 turbos to fit onto the S63TU headers. It seems only a handful have done it...PP Performance tuned their X5M to 750hp using them, a member on XBimmers said he noticed a loss of power (I'm thinking it was a canned tune vs being adjusted for those headers) and then you. Pure said it's a bad idea, but I didn't point out it's been done by a tuner before. I created a thread about swapping them and it was pointed out that the exhaust pulses will go from being on one side only to being a crossover, which supposedly might cause trim issues. How's that setup working out overall?
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'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - VTT 2's, MHD 2, BMS DCI, inlets, RB/Mishimoto,
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch, L/W flywheel, 3.23LSD, Z4///M staggered 18's
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Default 04-25-2017, 04:10 PM

I would love to get a dramatic amount of extra power out of this motor! Something to get a 0-60 down under 3s would be too cool.


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Default 04-29-2017, 04:25 PM

Terry, someone on Instagram mentioned you were coming out with a revision for S63 users. Is this true? Latest I've heard is that the aluminum case will be standard, but that's nothing that'll make these trucks faster.
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'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - VTT 2's, MHD 2, BMS DCI, inlets, RB/Mishimoto,
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch, L/W flywheel, 3.23LSD, Z4///M staggered 18's

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Default 04-29-2017, 07:55 PM

If anyone throws these wastegate codes, double-check your 12V and negative feeds to the BCM. Because I'd installed a piggy-back fuse holder specifically for the JB4, the 25A fuse had blown, causing the input signal from the wastegates to be interrupted. Replace fuse and problem solved.

I've amended the fix to include checking the power & ground feed.

30CF:
30CF Wastegate, input signal
EXPLANATION: Wastegate physically unplugged.
FIX: Check green & purple wires. Check power and ground connections to BCM.

30D0:
30D0 Wastegate 2, input signal
EXPLANATION: Wastegate physically unplugged.
FIX: Check green & purple wires. Check power and ground connections to BCM.

Also took the opportunity whilst troubleshooting to relocate the JB4 and BCM inside the DME box, making the whole install a lot neater and removed 18ft of extra wire in the process.

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Default 04-30-2017, 11:06 AM

We take the backburner again, boys. I have taken the liberty of writing MHD to see if they'll whip up an official BEF for us since it seems no one officially has one out yet vs using a stage 1/2 tunes @ $800-$1600 that aren't a true BEF only.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...108#post535108


'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - VTT 2's, MHD 2, BMS DCI, inlets, RB/Mishimoto,
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch, L/W flywheel, 3.23LSD, Z4///M staggered 18's
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Default 05-14-2017, 10:31 AM

Do u guys think we all should be running at least a step colder plugs with jb4 unit? Really I can't figure out y this is a once in a while thing for all of us and we all have different codes popping up.. is it a glitch the jb4 giving the truck or is it an actual problem.. I've went back to bmw multiple times and they checked vacuum hoses plugs injectors fuel pressure ect u name it they checked it because I just recently had them change motor due to bad bearing (that's what they said went wrong with old motor) so they done mind me coming once a week to check things out.. next stop in is for drive shaft recall that I hope all u guys know about.. my tech showed me what actually happens when they tear in half n it's not a pretty site.. and as for this unit being a low production whatever doesn't mean we should be stuck with no solid info as to why we have these small issues.. terry is amazing at what he does as far as I see and I'm sure a good weekend with a few test on a rig that's having issues would resolve something.. wounder how many of these units actually sold anyways.. and now I just read this morning few post back saying something bout bcm is practically worthless lol 150$ "Flush" lol
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Default 05-14-2017, 10:58 AM

As I posted above, it's not really a question to if you should go colder. Besides, they're easy to do and add safety if you drive it harder like I do...I'm in boost fully EVERY day.

I shopped around on eBay and Amazon; Terry had the better price on the plugs, too.


'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - VTT 2's, MHD 2, BMS DCI, inlets, RB/Mishimoto,
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch, L/W flywheel, 3.23LSD, Z4///M staggered 18's
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Default 05-19-2017, 08:28 AM

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Map 7: Progressive methanol map under development.
Terry, I'm looking to get the JB4 and methanol setup. Would I be able to use the JB4 Map7 yet to have progressive methanol control?
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Default 05-19-2017, 09:21 AM

Yes we can add WMI control to the S63 JB4... Just contact me when you have it setup and we'll discuss the setting details.


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Default 05-19-2017, 10:14 AM

Would love to see what sort of power the E70 X5M can make with a dialed-in JB4, BMS and Meth!

Currently, my X5M can get mid-high (3.8s or so) 0-60 times according to my P3Cars Vent Gauge on an Active Autowerks tune and ********* D0wnP1pes.


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Default 05-28-2017, 01:45 PM

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What turbos you going with?

I remember you'd sent me the pics of what's required to machine the S63 turbos to fit onto the S63TU headers. It seems only a handful have done it...PP Performance tuned their X5M to 750hp using them, a member on XBimmers said he noticed a loss of power (I'm thinking it was a canned tune vs being adjusted for those headers) and then you. Pure said it's a bad idea, but I didn't point out it's been done by a tuner before. I created a thread about swapping them and it was pointed out that the exhaust pulses will go from being on one side only to being a crossover, which supposedly might cause trim issues. How's that setup working out overall?
Sorry for the late response. Had lot of work with my SL600 V12 Biturbo.
I have look closer at both headers. The pulses go the same way in both headers.
I test it with water at the OEM headers.
At the same time I changed the headers I also changed the ********* with race 200 cel cats.
Thereafter, there has been a constant problem with the mixture. Engine run sometimes to lean and sometimes to rich and some days no problems at al. Now I have purchased left end right new Oxygen sensors and I have change them to. I have also bought on step colder plugs also NGK5992. Maybe tomorrow I have the time to change them to. So we will see if al this help or not. My JB4 + BMC is not installed yet. I got mine few weeks ago so I hope I have time coming week to install it. After that the turbos to.
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Default 06-13-2017, 03:15 AM

Terry, can you verify or clarify how this chart relates to the S63 version, please.
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'10 BMW X5///M - Alpine White on Sakhir Orange - HCP Stage 2/JB4, NGK 97506 @ .20, SS intake w/ BMC filters, gutted cats, muffler delete & Vibrant 1794's, AC Forged 312 22's, H&R 2"
'08 BMW 535xiT - VTT 2's, MHD 2, BMS DCI, inlets, RB/Mishimoto,
'98 BMW 740iL - ///E39 M5 6spd swap, fully built engine (sleeved, P&P, cams), 3.46 LSD, H&R Stage 2/Bilstein HD, Magnaflow 14816's
'97 BMW 328ci - ///E36 M3 clutch, L/W flywheel, 3.23LSD, Z4///M staggered 18's
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Heya Terrbear,
Looks like I'll be picking up an x5m in the next week, and since I've had such good experiences with the JB4s on my 335i's, I'm considering it for this as well.

Currently, the car has a Dinan Stage 1 flash on it: https://www.dinancars.com/product/d9...e70-2010-2013/

This apparently moves the boost target to 19PSI, as well as various supporting adjustments.

Do you think the JB4 would do anything (power-wise) on top of this, as it looks like it's already pushing about the max stock boost anyway? Or would I only get the added features/logging from it, and probably have around the same power?

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Default 06-17-2017, 04:10 PM

I am working on installing my JB4, but ran into a couple of discrepancies.

First, the installation instructions state to install the Green and Purple fuel wire pairs, which my JB4 doesn't have any purple and green female/male wire pairs. I do, however, have some black and brown wire pairs. How should I install these? Do they take the place of the purple/green? If so, which color goes where?




Secondly, I see two pairs of red and blue wires where the CAN bus wires are. Which ones do I install the JB4 green and brown wires to?


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Skip the dme wires and install tmap and obdii only to start. The fuel wires are only required for some higher boost applications. But we were out of stock on purple and green wires so used black and brown, respectively.


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Heya Terrbear,
Looks like I'll be picking up an x5m in the next week, and since I've had such good experiences with the JB4s on my 335i's, I'm considering it for this as well.
We decided to due higher than expected support requirements and overall low volume not to sell any more S63 JB4s. Just doesn't make financial sense so we've removed them from the website. Those who purchased direct are welcome to return for refund or run it as is with limited support.

We will continue to offer the Stage1 tune. It can be run stand alone or in conjunction with a flash tune like your Dinan map.


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Thats really sad news I was about to get one. Can i still buy one even with limited support?
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